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    Okay, I recently saw the band play and during the show Mike told people to read, read, read, and make informed choices when they vote. And he wants us all to vote!

    So, the following brilliant post is Reading Lesson #1 - (the latest in Vern's Tell It Like It Is)...

    Anyone wishing to offer opposing, equally intelligent viewpoints is invited to post them here for the purpose of causing informed voting in our election, too.

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    On Artists and their political opinions:

    Now I want to take a moment for some unkind words about these idiot stories about singers making some political comment and then everybody boos. For example the most famous one recently is Linda Ronstadt was at some casino in Las Vegas, she dedicated a song to Michael Moore and some drunk gambling addicts with bad taste in music started booing and ran out, tearing down her posters and throwing their drinks on the wall. So the casino owners sent Ronstadt away and said she would never play there again under that ownership (which was the rest of the month, they already sold the casino to a guy who has invited her back). And the way this was covered by the postjournalists it was sort of like, that crazy Linda Ronstadt, what was she thinking.

    But no, I'm sorry, that doesn't cut it. I think about all the times I'm put in some uncomfortable position. Like you're at a baseball game in the middle of a bullshit war that you don't agree with, and they sing the National Anthem and everybody around you gets overly involved in it, trying to show that THEY love America more than anybody and ESPECIALLY during these times when America is obviously wrong.


    So what do you do? You stand there politely and let them have their fun. Who fucking cares. You don't go throwing your drinks around and demanding your money back because you don't agree with the politics. If you did, and it made it on TV, you would be portrayed as an asshole, wouldn't you? But these people, the TV acts like they have a legitimate complaint. If it was the other way around politically, it would be portrayed as a riot. "They tore posters down! It was total bedlam! We believe there were anarchists from Eugene, Oregon involved!"


    Let's say I was at a James Brown concert, and he made some pro-Bush comment. I would probaly boo too. It would be hard not to. But then I'd probaly stay and enjoy the rest of the concert. If it was too upsetting, and I couldn't enjoy the funkiest wifebeater and his republican bullshit after that, then fine, maybe I'd leave. But I wouldn't demand my money back and I sure as shit wouldn't think the Godfather of Soul did anything wrong by "bringing politics into this."


    I read an article from the Orange County Register about Don Henley doing a concert and he started to say, "Given what my good friend Linda Ronstadt--" but he was interupted by booing so he said, "Whoops - Orange County. We used to be able to have civil debate in this country. Not anymore." Apparently he followed up with some political satire song by Randy Newman. (yuck.)


    The funniest part of the article was the last paragraph:


    "He really blindsided everyone," said Joshua Owen of Long Beach, who had taken a group of employees to the concert and was upset by the political content. "There was booing. Some people headed for the exits."

    I think this is what really bothers me about it. Not that these are dumb people who listen to horrible music, don't believe in freedom of speech and have bad concert etiquette. What really gets me is that people in this country have allowed our culture to be so thoroughly flushed down the shitter that they now buy the idea of music as a bland pre-packaged corporate product guaranteed to have no personality, conflict, ideas, politics or emotion. Not only do they like music to be that way, but they expect it to be, they demand it to be. And they are treated as reasonable people.

    I mean I guess they listen to Don Henley anyway so who am I fooling. But music is not what you think it is, you assholes. Music is a form of expression. Music can make you cry or send you off to a revolution. Music is "We Shall Overcome" and "Fuck the Police" and Songs in the Key of Life. Music gets entire races through slavery and genocide. Music is punk rock and hip hop before they were on TV and the radio. Music is not only allowed to provoke you and make you think and offend you, it's supposed to.

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    my car, although i agree with some of your points and disagree with others, im not going to say what they are because that was one of the most intriguing pieces i have read on here in a long time. My props to you for really knowing how to make a statement and be heard and to write something articulate and entertaining. Freedom of speach is a good thing isnt it?

    steve

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    Originally posted by wolfpits:
    my car, although i agree with some of your points and disagree with others, im not going to say what they are because that was one of the most intriguing pieces i have read on here in a long time. My props to you for really knowing how to make a statement and be heard and to write something articulate and entertaining. Freedom of speach is a good thing isnt it?

    steve
    <font size="2" face="verdana, arial">Pits, do you support the patriot act?

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    Pot O Gold said it right and I applaud for that. It's the same with these folks driving around with political bumper stickers. Left or Right it doesn't matter. You [political bumper sticker person] know who the hell your going to vote for so cast your vote and keep your piehole shut. You don't need to go around spewing why you choose this candidate over that candidate because truth be known; no-one but you really cares. Yet in this day and age people feel a real need (and it's an epidemic of sorts) to let the entire world know how and where they stand on any given issue. And you can shake your fists at the heavens and proclaim why this guy or that guy (and someday girl) is the best choice to lead our country but in reality these people are in a class all of their own.

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    thinking back...
    i believe that every show i've seen by any artist
    that preformer has always had a political statement that they present. especially in the reagan era the punk rock bands then tore reagan every which way...
    i have issues with both of the canidates and i personally don't mind hearing the opions of any artist. it just might be an informed opion about an issue that is relevant to the times...
    i believe that if you do not want to hear opions of others... stay at home turn your tv/radio off shelter yourself from the world... or become informed strive to find a solution to the problem
    work with others to resolve conflict... defend ourselves when necessary...
    i do not agree with the war in iraq striking them for 9/11(or whatever excuse the present administrationis using), what happend to the focus
    on usama bin lauden? ain't he the phucker we were after in the wake of 9/11 what about bush's promise to get him dead or alive?
    we will never win the war on terror...
    we will never win the war on drugs or crime...
    unless we win the war within ourselves first...

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    Yes, ...My Car has a gift for presenting interesting topics of debate, and on that note I will agree to disagree with the rest.
    Maybe I have become more conservative over the years but I get really sick of PAYING for the opinions of entertainers. I don't give a shit what Mike Ness thinks about George Bush, only what he is going to say between songs, and how he sings the songs themselves. Same thing when I pay an asspocketfullofdough for a college class and then have to put up with a professor feeding us his political opinions (especially when the class is not a political science class). I say save your breath, Bruce Springsteen, Linda Rondstadt, "Don Henly (...Must Die!" -Mojo Nixon), Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins, Dixie Chicks, and the rest and, yes, even the charismatic, sexy and provocative semi-legendary punk rock icon and greaser god, Mike Ness. Not that they will change anyone's opinions but they move from the role of concerned citizen to that of paid entertainer, teacher or whatever they are doing and I am not interested in hearing much more than a few minutes of it. I don't think that patrons have a right to trash a venue because they disagree (this is a form of terrorism) but if I were a performer I would think twice about boring the hell out of those who already know what their own political position is, and trying to influence those who are too young or stupid to even vote.
    One final note, no member of Al Kaida gives a rat's ass what any of these performers think and would just as soon behead anyone who lives an American lifestyle whether they publicly reject America's defensive strategies or not. Celebreties can cry all they want and say they don't agree with Bush and his defense strategies
    but a suicide bomber doesn't have time to sort out all those politically correct wimps who cower and don't want other nations to be mad at them for living in a free country and will "kill 'em all and let God sort them out" in the end.
    Hijackings and terrorism and turmoil in the Middle East did not just start last year, it's been going on for decades. Do some research and realize we never lost any love from terrorists who have always wanted to destroy the free world by trying to simply defend ourselves.

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    Let's also not forget that, under all the rage, ...My Car is one of my best buds in the world and that we can still differ in our ideas and compare them is the sweetest part of living in the USA. I lay out my opinions as a gift of concern to those who may not have considered all sides.

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    I think that everyone should have there own oppinion on it and if they are mad about it to shout it out. I have a different oppinion because i personaly love her there oppinions and there talk in between the songs. Its a bonus for me great songs and musical talent with an added oppinion or two.

    That is all......

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    well said Sean...i agree

    everybody needs to understand the right to opinion...tho you may NOT care how a person feels about certain things...i for one...LOVE knowing where anybody stands...music artists...anything...

    people are so extremely afraid to hear an opinion these days becuz people are not able to hear something they dont agree...they are afraid to hear the opposite of what they believe.

    Tho I do think teachers should keep their mouth's shut about opinions...unless its a political science class and they declare their's for debate purposes...music artists have every right to it.

    its kinda like how some people might not want to hear a love song...that artist is going to play that love song like a mother fucker cuz you came to see him do it. If you're coming to their show...they earned the right to say what they want on stage...cuz they worked for it.

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